Trump wins Noble peace prize.
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6 hours ago, myrabury said:

So Trump's decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem in the knowledge that hostilities would escalate and result in death had nothing to do with him??  The man even had members of his own family cutting the ceremonial ribbon.  I would argue this is the action of a coward as bullying and cowardice often go hand in hand.  A true Statesman would have intervened long before now in order to force Israel to at least comply with UN resolutions.  A true Statesman would'nt have given in to highly influential pressure groups in order to preserve the status quo.  Ever the businessman, and not a very good one at that - but a truly awful politician and standard bearer as a world leader.

 

I wish I could like this more than once.

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9 hours ago, myrabury said:

So Trump's decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem in the knowledge that hostilities would escalate and result in death had nothing to do with him??  The man even had members of his own family cutting the ceremonial ribbon.  I would argue this is the action of a coward as bullying and cowardice often go hand in hand.  A true Statesman would have intervened long before now in order to force Israel to at least comply with UN resolutions.  A true Statesman would'nt have given in to highly influential pressure groups in order to preserve the status quo.  Ever the businessman, and not a very good one at that - but a truly awful politician and standard bearer as a world leader.

 

Simply praying that he only gets one term. A second will undoubtedly hasten another worldwide conflict.

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10 hours ago, myrabury said:

So Trump's decision to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem in the knowledge that hostilities would escalate and result in death had nothing to do with him??  The man even had members of his own family cutting the ceremonial ribbon.  I would argue this is the action of a coward as bullying and cowardice often go hand in hand.  A true Statesman would have intervened long before now in order to force Israel to at least comply with UN resolutions.  A true Statesman would'nt have given in to highly influential pressure groups in order to preserve the status quo.  Ever the businessman, and not a very good one at that - but a truly awful politician and standard bearer as a world leader.

 

I agree with most of this Myra but he is not a coward, it appears  his skin is as thick as a rhino and doesn't care about the impact of his actions or words on others- ( see Jon Ronson book).He seems like a gung ho hawk that is a serious concern to  world peace and security. His ego will probably be so massive that concerns or fear of hurting  others will be the last thing in his mind. According to documentaries ,he is always up for a fight and is pugnacious to boot.

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7 hours ago, Shaker Ryan said:

Some thoughts.  I've read articles from a young disaffected Israeli sniper, an Israeli peace activist who is part of a growing movement appalled by their PM's own extremist views and policies and a Palestinian family who have lost relatives in the latest skirmish.  The BBC also downplayed the severity of the recent riots and subsequent deaths using language such as 'protests', and irrespective of Hamas membership those deaths include a number of people who were unarmed.  The article link has also been taken from the Jewish Chronicle.  This is a complex issue and there are many sides and viewpoints - both Hamas and the Israeli government have also used social media in order to promote their respective causes - however IMO this doesn't detract from the fact that Trump should not have relocated the US embassy at this point in time.  There must be a two State solution.  In the meantime, Israel should be forced to stop it's aquisition of land and the policy of displacing existing Palestinian communities.  It needs to accept a shared heritage and to treat Palestinian Arabs as equal citizens with equal rights to healthcare, education and employment.  Extremist elements from both sides must be kept in check by an international peacekeeping force and both must be forced to abide by UN rules.  The US could and  should be the biggest player here however thanks to the actions of Trump, any meaningful progress has been set back even further.  Thanks to Trump this may never be resolved.

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hard to know who to trust or believe but Israel were allocated land in the Balfour agreement but have ( in my opinion) illegally seized more  and kicked out residents to make way for their settlements. I find it hard to feel sorry for them.  

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Just diverting slightly to Trumps position on China which people may not have noticed.

After his tariffs and attacks on China for them dumping and breaching Intellectual property he suddenly about faces and says he is relaxing tarrifs on the 4th biggest Telecoms company ZTE so that they can save jobs. Eh? I thought that was the idea - get rid of Chinese jobs and give them to the US (MAGA)?

Out of interest ZTE also breached the Iran and N Korea UN sanctions deal. Last month the Commerce Department banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company broke sanctions and then lied about carrying out the punishment. 

The company had already agreed last year to a $1.2 billion fine in connection with those violations. But now, barred from using American microchips, software and other components, ZTE has been facing the prospect of being unable to manufacture its telecommunications equipment and smartphones.

So what gives? Why does Trunp change his mind to help this poor company?

As it turns out, the Trump Organization is pursuing an Indonesian leisure hotel and golf course and needs financing. Enter the Chinese government, which is partly financing the project.

The White House has struggled to answer how that kind arrangement does not abridge the Constitution’s emoluments clause against personal gain while in office, to say nothing of the president’s personal promise not to pursue new foreign business deals while he is president, to say nothing of whether he is trading on policy for personal gain.

Trump is just incredible. For all of the discussion we have had on here about his politics, he is just a crooked businessman and does things for personal enrichment.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

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1 hour ago, exiile said:

Just diverting slightly to Trumps position on China which people may not have noticed.

After his tariffs and attacks on China for them dumping and breaching Intellectual property he suddenly about faces and says he is relaxing tarrifs on the 4th biggest Telecoms company ZTE so that they can save jobs. Eh? I thought that was the idea - get rid of Chinese jobs and give them to the US (MAGA)?

Out of interest ZTE also breached the Iran and N Korea UN sanctions deal. Last month the Commerce Department banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company broke sanctions and then lied about carrying out the punishment. 

The company had already agreed last year to a $1.2 billion fine in connection with those violations. But now, barred from using American microchips, software and other components, ZTE has been facing the prospect of being unable to manufacture its telecommunications equipment and smartphones.

So what gives? Why does Trunp change his mind to help this poor company?

As it turns out, the Trump Organization is pursuing an Indonesian leisure hotel and golf course and needs financing. Enter the Chinese government, which is partly financing the project.

The White House has struggled to answer how that kind arrangement does not abridge the Constitution’s emoluments clause against personal gain while in office, to say nothing of the president’s personal promise not to pursue new foreign business deals while he is president, to say nothing of whether he is trading on policy for personal gain.

Trump is just incredible. For all of the discussion we have had on here about his politics, he is just a crooked businessman and does things for personal enrichment.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

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2 hours ago, exiile said:

Just diverting slightly to Trumps position on China which people may not have noticed.

After his tariffs and attacks on China for them dumping and breaching Intellectual property he suddenly about faces and says he is relaxing tarrifs on the 4th biggest Telecoms company ZTE so that they can save jobs. Eh? I thought that was the idea - get rid of Chinese jobs and give them to the US (MAGA)?

Out of interest ZTE also breached the Iran and N Korea UN sanctions deal. Last month the Commerce Department banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company broke sanctions and then lied about carrying out the punishment. 

The company had already agreed last year to a $1.2 billion fine in connection with those violations. But now, barred from using American microchips, software and other components, ZTE has been facing the prospect of being unable to manufacture its telecommunications equipment and smartphones.

So what gives? Why does Trunp change his mind to help this poor company?

As it turns out, the Trump Organization is pursuing an Indonesian leisure hotel and golf course and needs financing. Enter the Chinese government, which is partly financing the project.

The White House has struggled to answer how that kind arrangement does not abridge the Constitution’s emoluments clause against personal gain while in office, to say nothing of the president’s personal promise not to pursue new foreign business deals while he is president, to say nothing of whether he is trading on policy for personal gain.

Trump is just incredible. For all of the discussion we have had on here about his politics, he is just a crooked businessman and does things for personal enrichment.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

I would agree but I am worried he reads this message board !

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2 hours ago, exiile said:

Just diverting slightly to Trumps position on China which people may not have noticed.

After his tariffs and attacks on China for them dumping and breaching Intellectual property he suddenly about faces and says he is relaxing tarrifs on the 4th biggest Telecoms company ZTE so that they can save jobs. Eh? I thought that was the idea - get rid of Chinese jobs and give them to the US (MAGA)?

Out of interest ZTE also breached the Iran and N Korea UN sanctions deal. Last month the Commerce Department banned shipments of American technology to ZTE for seven years, saying that the company broke sanctions and then lied about carrying out the punishment. 

The company had already agreed last year to a $1.2 billion fine in connection with those violations. But now, barred from using American microchips, software and other components, ZTE has been facing the prospect of being unable to manufacture its telecommunications equipment and smartphones.

So what gives? Why does Trunp change his mind to help this poor company?

As it turns out, the Trump Organization is pursuing an Indonesian leisure hotel and golf course and needs financing. Enter the Chinese government, which is partly financing the project.

The White House has struggled to answer how that kind arrangement does not abridge the Constitution’s emoluments clause against personal gain while in office, to say nothing of the president’s personal promise not to pursue new foreign business deals while he is president, to say nothing of whether he is trading on policy for personal gain.

Trump is just incredible. For all of the discussion we have had on here about his politics, he is just a crooked businessman and does things for personal enrichment.

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

 

Couldn't agree more. Been reading about that deal on facebook.

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